Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
Centurion480

No one is a world champion

Recommended Posts

Yes. The ufc is the biggest organization with the best fighters. Can't really argue that a UFC champion is not the best in that division.

And if you want to say there are better people in other organizations, then they should be fighting in the UFC. UFC fighters are on top. IF they wont do that then they arent going for the gold so why should they be treated like the best. You have to fight the best.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yes, there are lineal championships in MMA. I don't know if there's a crowned flyweight lineal champ, but there are certainly lineal champs for the other weight-classes, basically making them the true champions of the world within MMA.

 

Think about it this way, around March 2008, Rampage Jackson was the Light Heavyweight champion of the UFC, and Brian Stann was the Light Heavyweight champion of the WEC; is there really much debate over which one of those two were the true No. 1 LHW at that point in time?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Yes. The ufc is the biggest organization with the best fighters. Can't really argue that a UFC champion is not the best in that division.

And if you want to say there are better people in other organizations' date=' then they should be fighting in the UFC. UFC fighters are on top. IF they wont do that then they arent going for the gold so why should they be treated like the best. You have to fight the best.[/quote']

 

this.

 

there could be some prodigy somewhere who's better than everyone but if he doesn't try to get the title he is nothing. It's not what you can do it's what you can prove you're capable of doing. Guys in the UFC are commited to their MMA carreer and they're the best, they fight the best. People keep thinking that some guys outside the UFC could beat the champ and they don't realize the gap there is in the competition they're facing. If they're the best why aren't they competing in the best league?

 

It's like if you pretend there's some super pro dude in the junior hockey league and start pretending that the best guys in the NHL aren't necessarily the best. Yes, there can be an upcoming rising star but overall the UFC is the best place and at this point in time their champs are the legitimate world champs.

 

Take for example Jon Jones. He might have been able to beat Shogun 6 months ago but he wasn't there in his carreer already. Was Shogun not the champ then? You're the champ for the time you have the belt and the UFC belt is the worthiest belt of all.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Yes. The ufc is the biggest organization with the best fighters. Can't really argue that a UFC champion is not the best in that division.

And if you want to say there are better people in other organizations' date=' then they should be fighting in the UFC. UFC fighters are on top. IF they wont do that then they arent going for the gold so why should they be treated like the best. You have to fight the best.[/quote']

 

you are the very definition of the word zuffa zombie. you clearly have a very limited knowledge of the sport and you have no right to share your opinion as it is worthless.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

UFC champion are true world champions, while Strikeforce champions are more like North American champions and Bellator champions are like United States champions. IMO there are 4 truly undisputed world champions right now, Anderson Silva, Georges St.-Pierre, Jose Aldo Jr., and Dominick Cruz, because the MW, WW, FW, and BW divisions are pretty weak as hell outside of the UFC, and outside of a few Strikeforce LHWs the LHW division outside of the UFC is pretty much irrelevant and almost non-existent.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
you are the very definition of the word zuffa zombie. you clearly have a very limited knowledge of the sport and you have no right to share your opinion as it is worthless.

 

No. Not at all, actually. Just being realistic. Doesn't take a genius to believe UFC champions are better than Strikeforce champions. Sorry if you're butthurt.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
No. Not at all' date=' actually. Just being realistic. Doesn't take a genius to believe UFC champions are better than Strikeforce champions. Sorry if you're butthurt.[/quote']

 

Lol this guys account name says it all

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

the ufc is where the best fighters in the world fight. ufc champions are the real world champions. for example. fighters who leave the ufc and go to other orgs like strikeforce, almost always end up champions or at the top for example, nick diaz. thats just the first example that came to mind. or werdum goes and beats fedor when he would really have no chance in the top of the ufc heavyweight division. and hw is arguable the worst division in the ufc. also. pettis if he wins his next fight, will lose to the winner of the edgar and maynard rematch. promise.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
the ufc is where the best fighters in the world fight. ufc champions are the real world champions. for example. fighters who leave the ufc and go to other orgs like strikeforce' date=' almost always end up champions or at the top for example, nick diaz. thats just the first example that came to mind. or werdum goes and beats fedor when he would really have no chance in the top of the ufc heavyweight division. and hw is arguable the worst division in the ufc. also. pettis if he wins his next fight, will lose to the winner of the edgar and maynard rematch. promise.[/quote']

 

Not totally true. UFC just has a deeper talent pool of champion calibre fighters. There are alot of fighters that could be a UFC champion that aren't fighting in the UFC.

 

UFC is just a brand make no mistake about that. It just happens to be the brand with the deepest talent by far but there are champion calibre fighters elsewhere.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Not totally true. UFC just has a deeper talent pool of champion calibre fighters. There are alot of fighters that could be a UFC champion that aren't fighting in the UFC.

 

UFC is just a brand make no mistake about that. It just happens to be the brand with the deepest talent by far but there are champion calibre fighters elsewhere.

 

I completely disagree with that statement.

There are VERY FEW fighters outside the UFC, that have the potential to be UFC champion.. and most of them fall in the HW division.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

In a way, there can be multiple world champions. It's like kings, there is a king of... Greece maybe and a king of Sparta. There both kings, but of their own countrys, same with fighting, their all champions, but of their own weight classes and organisations.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I completely disagree with that statement.

There are VERY FEW fighters outside the UFC' date=' that have the potential to be UFC champion.. and most of them fall in the HW division.[/quote']

 

Ok so maybe "alot" was pushing it. I just don't like the idea that if your not in UFC you must be a b-class fighter and shouldn't even be allowed in the cage with a UFC champion.

 

Which many people seem to think. Dana has it in soo many peoples mind that brand alone=The best fighter.

 

I strongly disagree with that point of view.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It seems many of you have missed the point I made in the OP. Let me reiterate.

 

--Strikeforce calls Gilbert Melendez the LW World Champion

 

--UFC calls Frankie Edgar the LW World Champion (ignoring Maynard controversy for all intensive purposes)

 

Now how can they both be called this? Yes yes you can all say "Well UFC is better so Edgar is the real champ".. but this is highly subjective AND even if the UFC IS better than Strikeforce, that still wouldn't make Edgar the world champion because he isnt the champion of Strikeforce....

 

A true world champion would have to be champion of both Strikeforce and UFC otherwise its like saying "Well you are the world champion... except for all those guys in the other organization..."

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
The term is used loosley' date=' yeah, but now that Zuffa owns 2 fight organizations...

 

Is there a world champion? Is there an [b']undisputed[/b] world champion?

 

Nope. Thought?

 

World Champion is used in any organization that does not discriminate people from around the world to compete. Yoiu could be your state champion, if it's only eligible to people who live in your state... get it?

 

Theoretically though... I don't think North Korea is welcome... so there's an argument.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
World Champion is used in any organization that does not discriminate people from around the world to compete. Yoiu could be your state champion' date=' if it's only eligible to people who live in your state... get it?

 

Theoretically though... I don't think North Korea is welcome... so there's an argument.[/quote']

 

Then the term should be any of the following:

 

UFC Champion

UFC's world champion

World Champion recognized by the UFC

 

But these arent as catchy so I guess they stick with the shorter but inaccurate phrase "World champion".

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Then the term should be any of the following:

 

UFC Champion

UFC's world champion

World Champion recognized by the UFC

 

But these arent as catchy so I guess they stick with the shorter but inaccurate phrase "World champion".

 

If you listen closely, what they say is accurate. Normally they say something similar to this, "The UFC light heavyweight champion of the world." Technically speaking, they are correct.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Then the term should be any of the following:

 

UFC Champion

UFC's world champion

World Champion recognized by the UFC

 

But these arent as catchy so I guess they stick with the shorter but inaccurate phrase "World champion".

 

If I remember rightly, fighters are introduced as the "Undisputed UFC Heavyweight Champion of the World". Obviously with the weight class varying.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Then the term should be any of the following:

 

UFC Champion

UFC's world champion

World Champion recognized by the UFC

 

But these arent as catchy so I guess they stick with the shorter but inaccurate phrase "World champion".

 

Well done.

 

It's also a marketing scheme to promote the ligitimacy of their own organization.

 

Remember, they are all businesses and thier business is to sell tickets, ppv, etc.

 

The Olympics is the last real WORLD COMPETITION.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
It seems many of you have missed the point I made in the OP. Let me reiterate.

 

--Strikeforce calls Gilbert Melendez the LW World Champion

 

--UFC calls Frankie Edgar the LW World Champion (ignoring Maynard controversy for all intensive purposes)

 

Now how can they both be called this? Yes yes you can all say "Well UFC is better so Edgar is the real champ".. but this is highly subjective AND even if the UFC IS better than Strikeforce' date=' that still wouldn't make Edgar the world champion because he isnt the champion of Strikeforce....

 

A true world champion would have to be champion of both Strikeforce and UFC otherwise its like saying "Well you are the world champion... except for all those guys in the other organization..."[/quote']

 

how is it subjective if the UFC IS, in fact, better than strikeforce. The UFC is better than Strikeforce. That is a FACT. Their talent pool is way deeper. The champ of the best organisation is the world champ. Other champs haven't proven themselves with the best competition so we can only speculate on their skills.

 

 

 

And for the others..

you guys who deny the fact that the UFC has the best roster are just living in denial. You're probly all butthurt and just struggle against the monopolistic ideas that stand behind the UFC brand, and lose all objectivity. The usual trade is that the best guys, that is, the champions or the top 5 guys of other organisations, are signed with the UFC, and the guys who end up being cut from the UFC go in other organisations. You don't have someone being cut from Strikeforce ending up in the UFC. Same goes for Bellator. Same goes for TKO. Except some very select exceptions (if they exist) where the reason of the cut was nothing about their performance but about conflicts of some sort.

 

The UFC buys the best guys and lets go of its lesser elements. They're the best, period. Deal with it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
how is it subjective if the UFC IS' date=' in fact, better than strikeforce. The UFC is better than Strikeforce. That is a FACT. Their talent pool is way deeper. The champ of the best organisation is the world champ. Other champs haven't proven themselves with the best competition so we can only speculate on their skills.

...

 

The UFC buys the best guys and lets go of its lesser elements. They're the best, period. Deal with it.[/quote']

 

Black is darker than white = fact

7 is greater than 6 = fact

UFC is better than Strikeforce = Opinion.

 

How do we determine the UFC's value and compare it to Strikeforce's? We could take company net value and compare them, does that more the UFC better because its worth more? No. What if we count the number of KO's in each organization, does that determine which is better? No. Each of these statistics would only show dominance in one specific area, therefore it is completely subjective whether one is better than the other.

Reads some books on the wonders of logic before you attempt to debate this.

 

...The fact that this is even debatable is evidence of it's subjective form...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×
×
  • Create New...