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Are weight classes the best way of governing fair fights?


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Lets face it, there are fighters who jump weight classes simply because of the physical advantage they hold over other fighters of the same weight. It's well known that fighters cut weight to fight at a weight lower then the one they are comfortable at. Without the weight classes as a measurement, weight cutting wouldn't be a factor and we could see fighters with more cardio, and more explosiveness on fight night.

 

Fighters like Jon Jones and Anderson Silva hold a distinct advantage over their divisions because although their weight is the same, their actual frame is much larger then their opponents.

 

There are two sides to this coin. Think of Matt Serra, Jeff Monson, Thiago Alves. These guys are stocky, short with a short reach, and they are relatively successful, however they are much smaller then the men they face in the cage.

 

If a fighters class was governed by something more then weight, such as height and overall frame or physical size, or maybe a combination of height and weight, these valid points wouldn't be an issue. Is weight really an accurate assesment of a level playing field?

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Yes' date=' if you had a it based on height, that would turn the sport into a body-builders contest, with everyone bulking up...

lets say it was based on height, griffin and lesnar are the same height, how do you see that fight going?[/quote']

 

that's what i mean, it's hard to class them based on height, as it should be the same with weight. Maybe it could be a balance of the two.

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Yes. What other measure could you use to put fighters into meaningful divisions? I agree with you though that certain fighters get a big advantage from their frame, ability to cut/make weight etc. Anyone who doesn't think a big part of Jon Jones success at LHW and Anderson Silva's success at MW isn't due to their size advantage over opponents is an idiot.

 

This is what is so stupid about an Anderson Silva v GSP fight. Anderson Silva is 6ft 2. GSP is a ****ing WW for crying out loud. What would the fight prove? I reckon Silva would win the fight and all it would prove is the best 6ft 2 guy in the world can beat the best WW guy in the world. Also, I hope Jon Jones moves to HW. As much as I like seeing people get bashed, watching a 6ft 4 LHW flog smaller guys is pretty lame. I'd like to see Jon Jones fight Cain, JDS etc.

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This is what is so stupid about an Anderson Silva v GSP fight. Anderson Silva is 6ft 2. GSP is a ****ing WW for crying out loud.

You're an idiot' date=' dude. Get real.

The height of the tip of your head is not fighting. You fight with your body - the more body, the more strength etc. - and with the reach of your arms.

 

The 3 inch height difference between Silva and GSP doesn't mean ****. It's a typical height discrepancy you see in pretty much all fights in all divisions.

 

Your hands are a weapon, not your forhead. And their arm reach is almost identical - 77" to 76". Whereas GSP had an [b']8 inch reach advantage over Serra[/b], and he had 6 inches on Penn!

Now that is a disadvantage!

 

If they fight, GSP will be either the same weight as Silva (as he already is) or heavier.

But since he's a bit shorter - despite the equal weight, he will have more muscle and will be much stronger than the lengthy, skinny Silva, which perfectly fits his fighting style: overpowering opponents with wrestling.

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You're an idiot' date=' dude. Get real.

The height of the tip of your head is not fighting. You fight with your body - the more body, the more strength etc. - and with the reach of your arms.

 

The 3 inch height difference between Silva and GSP doesn't mean ****. It's a typical height discrepancy you see in pretty much all fights in all divisions.

 

Your hands are a weapon, not your forhead. And their arm reach is almost identical - 77" to 76". Whereas GSP had an [b']8 inch reach advantage over Serra[/b], and he had 6 inches on Penn!

Now that is a disadvantage!

 

If they fight, GSP will be either the same weight as Silva (as he already is) or heavier.

But since he's a bit shorter - despite the equal weight, he will have more muscle and will be much stronger than the lengthy, skinny Silva, which perfectly fits his fighting style: overpowering opponents with wrestling.

 

Your post shows who the idiot is lol You don't know anything about MMA, fight promotions, sanctioning, or weight classes. Your post gave me a good laugh.

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You're an idiot' date=' dude. Get real.

The height of the tip of your head is not fighting. You fight with your body - the more body, the more strength etc. - and with the reach of your arms.

 

The 3 inch height difference between Silva and GSP doesn't mean ****. It's a typical height discrepancy you see in pretty much all fights in all divisions.

 

Your hands are a weapon, not your forhead. And their arm reach is almost identical - 77" to 76". Whereas GSP had an [b']8 inch reach advantage over Serra[/b], and he had 6 inches on Penn!

Now that is a disadvantage!

 

If they fight, GSP will be either the same weight as Silva (as he already is) or heavier.

But since he's a bit shorter - despite the equal weight, he will have more muscle and will be much stronger than the lengthy, skinny Silva, which perfectly fits his fighting style: overpowering opponents with wrestling.

 

yeah good point, there's more to fighting then height, as there is more to fighting then weight, but anderson silvas overall frame is much larger then GSP's

 

GSP is really 5'10 and BJ 5'9, i also believe their reach is a little closer then the ufc makes it out to be.

 

With anderson at 6'2, he is much larger then GSP, not so much in weight, but in his overall size. Anderson's legs are much longer, his arms much longer. I don't care what the reach stats say

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GSP is really 5'10 and BJ 5'9' date=' [/quote']GSP - 5'10"1/2

Penn - 5'7"

 

Does this look like 1 inch to you? And GSP is even leaning over:

penn_white_gsp.jpg

 

 

Anderson's legs are much longer' date=' his arms much longer.[/quote']LOL what?!?!?

Numbers are numbers, dude.

Silva's arms are shorter or equal to GSP's. [sIlva looks like he has wider shoulders than GSP, and since shoulders contribute to the wing span, then his arms might be shorter than GSP's]

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Rewko' date=' there's something you seem to be missing. [u']Penn and GSP were in the same weight class.[/u] Anderson Silva and GSP are in different weight classes. What weight class are you suggesting a fight between Anderson Silva and GSP should be at?
Also THE SAME ONE :-)

 

Penn jumped up to WW to fight GSP.

If GSP jumps up to MW, he will be the same weight class as Silva. That's logical, right?

 

The difference is - Penn has never been a large LW, and never a proper WW at all (he doesn't cut weight at WW, because he's so light - 169lbs)

Whereas GSP is a huge welterweight and his WW weight is larger than the MW limit (195lbs - 10 pounds over the MW limit), so technically, he's already a MW.

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GSP - 5'10"1/2

Penn - 5'7"

 

Does this look like 1 inch to you? And GSP is even leaning over:

penn_white_gsp.jpg

 

 

LOL what?!?!?

Numbers are numbers' date=' dude.

Silva's arms are shorter or equal to GSP's. [sIlva looks like he has wider shoulders than GSP, and since shoulders contribute to the wing span, then his arms might be shorter than GSP's']

 

if gsp is leaning over, then so is penn, Penn stands eye to eye with hughes who i have no doubt is 5'9, also we can't see their footwear in that pic gsp may be wearing shoes.

 

numbers are numbers my ***. It's well known that fighter stats fluctuate. Hell they had shane carwin at 6'3 then 6'5, then 6'2.

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Whereas GSP is a huge welterweight and his WW weight is larger than the MW limit (195lbs - 10 pounds over the MW limit), so technically, he's already a MW.

 

No GSP is not a big WW and he is not a MW technically or otherwise. Thank you for answering the question though and saying that you think GSP and Silva should fight at MW.

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