Psycho_Amoussou Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Hes got awful cardio at WW, awful stand-up, average wrestling that fades very quickly into sloppy rugby tackles...see Paul Daley fight, and hes got good jie jitsu which doesnt even work any more in mma unless you can overwhelm your opponent with wrestling first an thats not gonna happen against Ellenberger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangasm Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 He won a robbery over Kampmann. He's not as good as the Zuffa machine made him out to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bright508620 Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Shields has always been looked as "overrated". Hes is top 10 p4p on my list. Hes a great fighter believe it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho_MMA Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 his cardio is fine and his BJJ or AJJ is very good, but i think his wrestling is overated or at least setting up his takedowns but if he improves his standup he will be a force. if his standup improves better than it was in the GSP fight, he would be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho_Amoussou Posted June 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Charlie Brenneman would crush him LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 The only thing I remember about the Paul Daley fight was Paul Daley getting beaten up like a little girl. It wasn't even a fight. It was a barely a workout for Shields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho_Amoussou Posted June 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Shields has always been looked as "overrated". Hes is top 10 p4p on my list. Hes a great fighter believe it or not. You say that just because he fought GSP. Knowbody cares about your opinion anyways because your just on GSP's nuts too much. How is he in the top 10 P4P. Hes not even any better than Martin Kampmann and thats in a three round fight. In a five round fight he would get beat by him even worse every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkLikeAWarrior707 Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Agreed. Very overated IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho_Amoussou Posted June 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 The only thing I remember about the Paul Daley fight was Paul Daley getting beaten up like a little girl. It wasn't even a fight. It was a barely a workout for Shields. Then you didnt watch the fight or u are confusing it with the first round of the Hendo/Shields fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainCarwin Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Dosen't matter as Jake will fail his medicals next fight due to elevated levels of estrogen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefano Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Shields behind: GSP Nate Diaz Nick Diaz Hardy In front of: Condit Ellenberger T. Alves John Howard Equal to: Fitch A. Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disty_pal Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 i lol'd at the 3rd option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BESERKER Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Shields is top 5, unfortunately will only shine vs certain styles like Hendo etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB41 Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Overated takedowns.. Overated Jiu -Jitsu..Below Average Standup...Definteley overrated fighter. So is everyone else in his camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB41 Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Shields behind:GSP Nate Diaz Nick Diaz Hardy In front of: Condit Ellenberger T. Alves John Howard Equal to: Fitch A. Johnson What in the world.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAL918 Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 No I don't think he's overrated. If the man would just improve his striking and not look like a retarded monkey he could be champ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomanyhuggers Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Eh, he is pretty solid once you fall into his guard, or if you have zero tdd. Otherwise he is about as good as a gatekeeper in WW. He would get destroyed in MW, I think that is why he didn't even try to go there. Oh my, he went undefeated for 6 years and beat Hendo...so? He won't get another title shot. Diego Sanchez, Fitch, or BJ can keep him out of the top 3 in WW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFC_311 Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Shields is so underrated. The guy went on a 15 fight win streak and went into everyone of those fights considered the underdog. Well, who got their arm raised in the end. He beat Okami and Condit on the SAME night. The guy is said to have the worst standup in MMA yet managed to keep up with the guy considered to have the best boxing in UFC. Shields is my 2nd favorite fighter and is the most underrated fighter in the UFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FraleyA Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 It's funny how everyone thought Shields was the perfect opponent to beat GSP because he was so good at wrestling and so good at BJJ. Shields is overrated. He has never beat anybody good. Diaz is next in line and he is the perfect opponent to beat GSP because his stand up is so good and his BJJ is so good. NEWS FLASH: They both are overrated and they both suck! Neither has ever beat anybody good. Diaz never beat anybody good in the UFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays_Hero Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Why isn't there a simple "No" option? :confused: He wasn't going to beat GSP but he's still better than most of the division.. Shields behind:GSP Nate Diaz Nick Diaz Hardy In front of: Condit Ellenberger T. Alves John Howard Equal to: Fitch A. Johnson WTF.. this is the stupidest thing I've read in a long time..... I don't think I can find a facepalm big enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsplint Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Shields behind:GSP Nate Diaz Nick Diaz Hardy In front of: Condit Ellenberger T. Alves John Howard Equal to: Fitch A. Johnson Please be trolling... Shields behind The Outlaw ??? LMFAO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglebird Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Shields is so underrated. The guy went on a 15 fight win streak and went into everyone of those fights considered the underdog. Well' date=' who got their arm raised in the end. He beat Okami and Condit on the SAME night. The guy is said to have the worst standup in MMA yet managed to keep up with the guy considered to have the best boxing in UFC. Shields is my 2nd favorite fighter and is the most underrated fighter in the UFC.[/quote'] this proves 2 things. You buy the zuffa hype way too much. and GSP's standup is trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Can Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Charlie Brenneman would crush him LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuseFan Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Shields is so underrated. The guy went on a 15 fight win streak and went into everyone of those fights considered the underdog. Well' date=' who got their arm raised in the end. He beat Okami and Condit on the SAME night. The guy is said to have the worst standup in MMA yet managed to keep up with the guy considered to have the best boxing in UFC. Shields is my 2nd favorite fighter and is the most underrated fighter in the UFC.[/quote'] this proves 2 things. You buy the zuffa hype way too much. and GSP's standup is trash. I agree with your statement he buys the Zuffa hype too much. A 15-win fight streak against middle-grade talent by lay and pray is nothing to brag about. Okami and Condit weren't exactly as skilled five years ago as they are now. Shield's arrogant as **** "American Jiu-Jitsu" ******** got exposed as...well...******** when he thought he'd make GSP go to sleep and instead he couldn't take him down. As for the assertion that GSP's standup is trash... Josh Koscheck's face disagrees with you. Hey, there's a fun matchup idea, let's see Shields try fighting Kos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwGSP Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 this proves 2 things. You buy the zuffa hype way too much. and GSP's standup is trash. Lol he had won 15 straight fights going into the GSP fight, and that list of wins had some nice names on it. He's not that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFL_FTW Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 dosen't matter as jake will fail his medicals next fight due to elevated levels of estrogen. lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAL918 Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 I agree with your statement he buys the Zuffa hype too much. A 15-win fight streak against middle-grade talent by lay and pray is nothing to brag about. Okami and Condit weren't exactly as skilled five years ago as they are now. Shield's arrogant as **** "American Jiu-Jitsu" ******** got exposed as...well...******** when he thought he'd make GSP go to sleep and instead he couldn't take him down. He didnt even get to show his Jiu-Jitsu. So you cant even talk **** about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_Against_The_World Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Hes got awful cardio at WW' date=' awful stand-up, average wrestling that fades very quickly into sloppy rugby tackles...see Paul Daley fight, and hes got good jie jitsu which doesnt even work any more in mma unless you can overwhelm your opponent with wrestling first an thats not gonna happen against Ellenberger.[/quote'] I had to pick the obvious option , it was funny. Seriously though...Jake Shields is top 5 in 2 divisions of MMA right now and easily a top 10 pound for pound fighter. I don't like watching him , I cannot tell you the last fight of his that I enjoyed his Victories of Condit , Okami , Mike Pyle , Kampmann , Henderson , Mayhem , Paul Daley....Were all horribly drawl on his behalf. Still there isn't 5 other guys in MMA with his record , competition and achievements he deserves immense respect in this sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
towhatend Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 He spent years fighting above him natural weight and won every fight up there, left a belt in a second-rate (minus a few) talent pool to come to the UFC, had a huge weight cut, won a close fight then lost a close decision in a title fight against either the No. 1 or No. 2 pound-for-pound best fighter in the world and people are saying Shields is overrated? Holy freaking crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
towhatend Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Please be trolling... Shields behind The Outlaw ??? LMFAO... True story. The only people behind The Outlaw are his cornermen walking him to the octagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_Against_The_World Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 true story. The only people behind the outlaw are his cornermen walking him to the octagon. hah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRearNaked Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Jake vs rick story. Make it happen. Both are coming off loses. I place Jake shields maybe around 6 or 7 in the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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