ijosef Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 I hate to say it, but I agree with Tito Ortiz. Don't get me wrong - he's not the Tito of old and he's not a top tier fighter, but he isn't a washed-up has-been quite yet. Even though his record of recent is pretty dismal, he managed to hold up well against solid competition. After getting TKO'd by Liddell, he went to a controversial draw with Rashad Evans (would've won if not for the questionable point deduction), took Machida to decision and actually had him in trouble during the bout, lost a split decision to Forrest in a back-and-forth match, and took Hamill to a decision. Tito pointed that out in one of his recent interviews and I had no choice but to agree. It would be different if he'd been stopped in all of those fights, but he wasn't completely dominated in any of them - three of which (not including Chuck) were future or former champions. I think Bader is a bad fight for Ortiz, and one he will likely lose. Tito should've been matched up with a mid-card up-and-coming LHW who isn't at the top yet. Bader won't benefit all that much from a win over Ortiz, but an up-and-comer would. Ortiz would be a decent gatekeeper for the LHW division... if he lost to a couple nobodies, then send him packing. ...of course Tito could always get hired by Scott Coker and fight in the Strikeforce LHW division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgelebrun Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Fair enough, all of his fights have been close, hasn't been finished in ages, and is still fighting top level fighters.. Though his excuses really annoy me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ijosef Posted June 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Fair enough' date=' all of his fights have been close, hasn't been finished in ages, and is still fighting top level fighters.. Though his excuses really annoy me[/quote']No doubt. Tito is the master of excuses and has always been very annoying. He's still a tool, but his octagon performances haven't been as horrible as some say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serb-1 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 as long as bader wins, tito can think whatever he wants but i agree that he isn't getting knocked out like say cro cop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krendo Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 I actually agree with Tito Ortiz... he's not as washed up as some believe. I believe you are both correct. I bet he hasn't bathed in years. If he has, getting that Jenna taint off of him could be a life long ordeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfAllFighting Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Fair point. But he has no business in the UFC LHW division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coreyflipp Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 I would agree up until the Matt Hammill fight. If he doesn't change something it will be repeat of that fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossles Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Fair point. But he has no business in the UFC LHW division. Says who? If the guy lost to a LHW scrub then throw him out, but hes losing to the best and by small margins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfAllFighting Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Says who? If the guy lost to a LHW scrub then throw him out' date=' but hes losing to the best and by small margins.[/quote'] The LHW division is arguably the most stacked division and Ortiz can't touch anyone top 10. So his fans say give him scrubs and build him back up? No good. He's done and that's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAL918 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Tito doesnt deserve all the hate he gets. The dude was a major role in making the UFC what it is today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
towhatend Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 The real breaking point with Ortiz is the amount of money his contract is for. He's been making $250,000 (plus PPV buys I would guess) to get beat for the last few years. But yea, he really is losing close fights. He isn't getting KOed like Liddell was or losing to nobodies. Matt Hamill was the first guy in the last decade who beat Ortiz and wasn't a former champ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bssite Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Titos problem is he runs his mouth about how great he used to be and what a pioneer for the sport he is. If he kept his mouth shut about **** like that (see liddell, w silva, penn etc) he'd probably still be a huge fan favorite. The guys who are great don't need to explain it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoToGuy Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Titos problem is he runs his mouth about how great he used to be and what a pioneer for the sport he is. If he kept his mouth shut about **** like that (see liddell' date=' w silva, penn etc) he'd probably still be a huge fan favorite. The guys who are great don't need to explain it[/quote'] Correct. He needs to learn to STFU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StompGrind Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 The fact that he's not getting destroyed in every fight proves he's not totally washed up but his style is extremely outdated and he hasn't improved much in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsplint Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 The fact that he's not getting destroyed in every fight proves he's not totally washed up but his style is extremely outdated and he hasn't improved much in years. True ^ Trying to think what year it was Tito won his last fight... ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StompGrind Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 True ^ Trying to think what year it was Tito won his last fight... ??? Shamrock 2006 or 07 can't remember. I think he had a draw against Rashad and all the rest were decision losses besides Chuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Are you sure he isn't washed up? I saw him on the beach just the other day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsplint Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Shamrock 2006 or 07 can't remember. I think he had a draw against Rashad and all the rest were decision losses besides Chuck. Yeah LoL, i know it was Shamrock... I was just taking the piss... BUT he would of got the win over Tahsad if he didnt get deducted that point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nizmo270r Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Power to the TITO!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobercuban Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Power to the TITO!! ^^this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StompGrind Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 ^^this Jenna likes fist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobercuban Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Jenna likes fist. hmm I wonder if she ever did girl on girl fisting ... I'd have to assume so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StompGrind Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 hmm I wonder if she ever did girl on girl fisting ... I'd have to assume so I wouldn't know, not a fan of hers but i would assume so too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobercuban Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 I wouldn't know' date=' not a fan of hers but i would assume so too.[/quote'] I was more of a fan of her later work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsplint Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 I was more of a fan of her later work I was always a fan of her "acting" skills... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays_Hero Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 He hasn't won a fight since 2006, he has no business in the UFC. Yes, he is fighting good guys but obviously he can't hang with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuayThaiKickboxer Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 He hasn't won a fight since 2006' date=' he has no business in the UFC. Yes, he is fighting good guys but obviously he can't hang with them.[/quote'] He has been hanging with them though. He was never DOMINATED, and his most one sided loss since 2006 was to Matt Hamill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays_Hero Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 He has been hanging with them though. He was never DOMINATED' date=' and his most one sided loss since 2006 was to Matt Hamill.[/quote'] He isn't winning though, so he isn't hanging in there very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 He has been hanging with them though. He was never DOMINATED' date=' and his most one sided loss since 2006 was to Matt Hamill.[/quote'] But there's videos of his misses getting DOMINATED by strange men for free on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsplint Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 He has been hanging with them though. He was never DOMINATED' date=' and his most one sided loss since 2006 was to Matt Hamill.[/quote'] LoL... dont forget Machida picked him apart & ragdolled him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsplint Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 But there's videos of his misses getting DOMINATED by strange men for free on the internet. Tito obviously likes good time girls.. :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisk Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 Why the hell would you be defending yourself with "I wasn't finished", well dude... you sure didn't finish either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_LiBRA Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 . well i can't imagine that tito will ever fight matt "meathead" mitrione' date=' who said he would drop down to 205( or catch-weight ) to fight [b']tito[/b]( according to tito on a certain 1 hour program about the inside of mma, ...hint ) after matt said some things about jenna! But that would be very interesting, i hope tito stays around just incase...? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB41 Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 I hate to say it' date=' but I agree with Tito Ortiz. Don't get me wrong - he's not the Tito of old and he's not a top tier fighter, but he isn't a washed-up has-been quite yet. Even though his record of recent is pretty dismal, he managed to hold up well against solid competition. After getting TKO'd by Liddell, he went to a controversial draw with Rashad Evans (would've won if not for the questionable point deduction), took Machida to decision and actually had him in trouble during the bout, lost a split decision to Forrest in a back-and-forth match, and took Hamill to a decision. Tito pointed that out in one of his recent interviews and I had no choice but to agree. It would be different if he'd been stopped in all of those fights, but he wasn't completely dominated in any of them - three of which (not including Chuck) were future or former champions. I think Bader is a bad fight for Ortiz, and one he will likely lose. Tito should've been matched up with a mid-card up-and-coming LHW who isn't at the top yet. Bader won't benefit all that much from a win over Ortiz, but an up-and-comer would. Ortiz would be a decent gatekeeper for the LHW division... if he lost to a couple nobodies, then send him packing. ...of course Tito could always get hired by Scott Coker and fight in the Strikeforce LHW division.[/quote'] I agree..hes not a scrub at all...Although i also agree with this being a bad matchup....Sems like Dana wants him out..Its a shame cause i think hed have a good chance beating lil Nog(original opponent) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis_Shrimp Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 I believe you are both correct. I bet he hasn't bathed in years. If he has' date=' getting that Jenna taint off of him could be a life long ordeal.[/quote'] I'd take that taint any day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyran125 Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 if he wasnt washed up , he really needed to perform a lot better against Mark Hamill (lol, i meen Matt Hamill) for me to believe that hes still got game. I think that Osama Bin Laden T-Shrt was a bit too much. That really seems to be Tito's personality. He seems to train super hard and get injured in his training camps, instead of working on his own evolution to catch up to todays insanely good MMA fighters. Its a whole new generation of fighters Tito has to catch up too, something Rampage's style seems to be better at doing that Tito's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobercuban Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 Mark Hamill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 I hope Tito keeps fighting lower and lower ranked fighters. By the time UFC 140 comes around he can be losing to cab drivers on the Facebook prelim fights lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyran125 Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 lol, i meen Matt hamill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobercuban Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 lol' date=' i meen Matt hamill.[/quote'] ok phew ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOGS17 Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 Tito's washed up...gonna retire after his loss to Bader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsplint Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 Tito's washed up...gonna retire after his loss to Bader He will be told to retire... OR he gets cut... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePredictor Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 Tito should lose this fight. He's not a HORRIBLE fighter, but when you can't win a fight you gotta get out of the UFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsplint Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 Tito should lose this fight. He's not a HORRIBLE fighter' date=' but when you can't win a fight you gotta get out of the UFC[/quote'] Tito must be an exception... He hasnt won a fight in years & still hasnt been cut... He is used as a ca$h cow for Dana & Co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePredictor Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 All I am saying is, he isn't getting finished. He's losing fights for sure, but when you're a legend, Dana cuts you a little extra slack. Do I think he'll lose tomorrow night? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsplint Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 All I am saying is' date=' he isn't getting finished. He's losing fights for sure, but when you're a legend, Dana cuts you a little extra slack. Do I think he'll lose tomorrow night? Yes.[/quote'] I think he will lose also... BUT he wont get finished... IMO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoToGuy Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 I think he will lose also... BUT he wont get finished... IMO... But I want him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsplint Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 But I want him too. So do I... Be good if Tito ate some knee's to the mid section like Machida gave him & like Bader gave Jardine... Seeing Tito drop in aginy would be hell funny... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoToGuy Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 So do I... Be good if Tito ate some knee's to the mid section like Machida gave him & like Bader gave Jardine... Seeing Tito drop in aginy would be hell funny... Music to my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsplint Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 Music to my ears. Imagine it actually happended... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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