Centurion480 Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 Ok so as many of you have heard, it is likely that the UFC is adding a 125 pound division, or as one might call it "Flyweight". Right off the bat, you should all be hesitating right there. Anyone whose weight is compared to that of an insect is not someone I wanna see throw leather. I don't want to see this addition. Why? Here are 3 solid reasons: 1) The more weight classes you add, the less you get to see the others fight OR the more cluttered the fight cards will get. I don't wanna watch thousands upon thousands of up-and-comer fights just to see Bones/GSP/Silva fight in a main event. 2) I am really sick of being "introduced" to another weight class. We just saw the addition of FW and BW and granted it is good to see some story lines developing but lets face it, it has a serious lack of depth and personality. Now imagine how bad Flyweight will be? We're going to bring in all these mini guys for what? They'll just take up space... well.. not very much space... but you get my point. 3) Where does this end? Shall we add a 115 division? 105? 95? Midget fights? Child fights? Midget-Child fights? Seriously, lets not go down this road. 135 is as light as it should go. Here are my counter arguments in regard to some suporting reasons for the additional weight class: Small fighter excitement- argument Now before I get swarmed by the "smaller the fighter = more action" argument, thats not the case. Thats just a fun thing that small people like to say to defend their own. Is anyone going to say LHW isnt exciting? How about the recent HW fight with Cheick Kongo and Pat Barry? The more mini guys we add, the less of these fights we will get to see. Expansion of the sport argument Granted this argument does have some merit. The addition of a new weight class does signify the expansion and familiarization of MMA. But.... does that mean we should do it? Does that mean MMA needs that? No. It doesn't. Thats like saying if Bones Jones became President of the United States then it would help further MMA because a world leader came from an MMA backround. Yes... this would be true... but does this need to happen to expand MMA? Absolutely not. MMA does not need a Flyweight division to grow. Bottom line: Flyweight isnt an addition, its an arbitrary replacement. Logically, you would think that you'd see more fight cards per year considering their is a larger roster, but it won't work like that, just like it hasn't worked like that for the recent additions.To put it bluntly, they will have the same amout of events except they will just add more unknown mini people and less established larger people. This is a rip off people. Thoughts? Concerns? I look forward to reading your significantly shorter arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolomite5698 Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 I just don't like watching people that light fight in general. It's like watching two Frankie Edgars fight each other...I like watching Edgar use his style (sometimes) but two people doing that kinda sucks. It looks like fencing or something. Either way, I'll end up watching the 125'ers fight just out of pure love for the sport. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForrestGriffinFan101 Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 Ok so as many of you have heard' date=' it is likely that the UFC is adding a 125 pound division, or as one might call it "Flyweight". Right off the bat, you should all be hesitating right there. Anyone whose weight is compared to that of an insect is not someone I wanna see throw leather. [b']I don't want to see this addition. Why? Here are 3 solid reasons: [/b] 1) The more weight classes you add, the less you get to see the others fight OR the more cluttered the fight cards will get. I don't wanna watch thousands upon thousands of up-and-comer fights just to see Bones/GSP/Silva fight in a main event. 2) I am really sick of being "introduced" to another weight class. We just saw the addition of FW and BW and granted it is good to see some story lines developing but lets face it, it has a serious lack of depth and personality. Now imagine how bad Flyweight will be? We're going to bring in all these mini guys for what? They'll just take up space... well.. not very much space... but you get my point. 3) Where does this end? Shall we add a 115 division? 105? 95? Midget fights? Child fights? Midget-Child fights? Seriously, lets not go down this road. 135 is as light as it should go. Here are my counter arguments in regard to some suporting reasons for the additional weight class: Small fighter excitement- argument Now before I get swarmed by the "smaller the fighter = more action" argument, thats not the case. Thats just a fun thing that small people like to say to defend their own. Is anyone going to say LHW isnt exciting? How about the recent HW fight with Cheick Kongo and Pat Barry? The more mini guys we add, the less of these fights we will get to see. Expansion of the sport argument Granted this argument does have some merit. The addition of a new weight class does signify the expansion and familiarization of MMA. But.... does that mean we should do it? Does that mean MMA needs that? No. It doesn't. Thats like saying if Bones Jones became President of the United States then it would help further MMA because a world leader came from an MMA backround. Yes... this would be true... but does this need to happen to expand MMA? Absolutely not. MMA does not need a Flyweight division to grow. Bottom line: Flyweight isnt an addition, its an arbitrary replacement. Logically, you would think that you'd see more fight cards per year considering their is a larger roster, but it won't work like that, just like it hasn't worked like that for the recent additions.To put it bluntly, they will have the same amout of events except they will just add more unknown mini people and less established larger people. This is a rip off people. Thoughts? Concerns? I look forward to reading your significantly shorter arguments. Eff personality...... .......FW and BW consistently have the most exciting fights in MMA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 As long as they don't had the women's division to the UFC I'm a happy camper. Not to be sexist or anything but I don't feel like watching a woman bleed on tv but then again maybe that's just me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GyozaSauce Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 meh, if they have good fighters/fights, I'll watch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirRender Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 More = better. The more fighters, the more fights. The more weight classes, the more titles. More = better. /end thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolomite5698 Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 As long as they don't had the women's division to the UFC I'm a happy camper. Not to be sexist or anything but I don't feel like watching a woman bleed on tv but then again maybe that's just me... If the women's division was open-weight it would be fun to watch...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kachuks Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 I'll watch a fight at LW over a fight at HW anyday. Everything about fights at 155 is better. Of course with the exception of fighters' size. However, I agree that 125 is kind of pointless. The reasoning is that the lighter weight classes put on more exciting fights because of their athletecism. So that means FW is more exciting than LW, and BW is more exciting than FW, etc. etc. By that logic, we can forget about 125 and just throw a couple of 95 lbs. anorexics in the octagon and that would be the most exciting weight class ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForcexrecoN Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 Was about to get pissed. Then I saw OP is an 11er. So he has a free pass on being a retarded inbred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FerociousKO Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 I hope the UFC add more weight classes because it breaks my heart that i will never have the opportunity to fight in the UFC at my current weight of 102lbs. But seriously 125 should be as far as it goes. By then we will have 8 champions, we dont need any more midgits and especially any women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparhawk_UKC Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 considering its the same as featherweight in boxing its not like these guys are going to be anorexic or anything. If they can fight and if we get to see some action then hell let them fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarWest® Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 Don't hate on 125 http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=pIoZ1bsILF8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuberling Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 Maybe in a few years add the Flyweight division, but for now, I feel there's more than enough divisions as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB41 Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 it seems fair to me having 125 lb division..these "little guys" deserve to fight on a big stage as much as the big dudes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurion480 Posted July 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 Was about to get pissed. Then I saw OP is an 11er. So he has a free pass on being a retarded inbred. I was about to get pissed. Then I saw that you use internet seniority to feel superior to me. Then I just kinda felt bad for ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForrestGriffinFan101 Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 I was about to get pissed. Then I saw that you use internet seniority to feel superior to me. Then I just kinda felt bad for ya. I bet your favorite fighter is Josh Barnett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlebright Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 If there are enough quality fighters at that weight to make a competitive division, then why not? I don't want them to do it just for the sake of doing it. Just see Strikeforce for examples of what happens when you have thin, uncompetitive divisions. But if they can gather at least 20 quality guys at that weight, and maybe have a few names drop down, it could work. There's already talk of Demetrious Johnson and Joseph Benavidez dropping down to 125 as soon as the UFC brings that division in. I know the UFC hasn't dramatically increased the number of events since adding the smaller weight classes, but that should change next year. The current UFC schedule is somewhat limited by their contract with Spike. They can't add any more PPV events to the calendar. There are already at least one, if not two PPV events per month. How many more times can you squeeze $50 out of your fans? The obvious path of future growth is free TV. However, Spike is currently their main cable partner, but they only do a few events a year. A couple TUF finales, a couple Fight Nights and the occasional free numbered event. The UFC adding two events per year with Versus, and then expanding that to four this year, is a sign that the UFC is outgrowing what Spike can do for them. But that contract expires at the end of this year and reports are that Spike is balking at the UFC's asking price to renew. There are rumours that the UFC is planning to buy their own network and handle the free TV broadcasts themselves. This would likely lead to more free events on TV. This is where the new weight classes will come in. It used to be that each event had 10 fights max on it, sometimes less. Now, events have as many as 12 fights on them. They can only expand the cards so much, so expect to see an increase in the number of events soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarlandPatriot Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 If flyweight is added, don't watch it. It's that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmafan73 Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 I bet your favorite fighter is Josh Barnett. its actually john fitch its kinda sad rly lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossles Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 Over light weight classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bokchoy Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 If they are adding another division, it shouldnt be another 10 lb differance where fighters can easily bounce divisions. If they want to add another, it should be between lhw and hw. There is a 60lb gap there, which should be a priority to address more than adding a 125 div Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alliedwarior Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 I agree 125 llb division doesnt excite me at all, BW FW and LW are all seperted by 10 pounds, the difference between LHW and HW is the same as the difference between LW and HW if annythin the UFC needs to work on expanding these weight classes like maybe changin things : 135 bantom weight 145 feather weight 155 light weight 165 welterweight 180 middleweight 195 whatever u wanna call it 205 light heavy weight 225 heavyweight 225 plus, super heavyweight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VICTOR83 Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 Make the Flyweight matches your bathroom break/drug intake time. Problem fixed, you welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jduk Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 Ok so as many of you have heard' date=' it is likely that the UFC is adding a 125 pound division, or as one might call it "Flyweight". Right off the bat, you should all be hesitating right there. Anyone whose weight is compared to that of an insect is not someone I wanna see throw leather. [b']I don't want to see this addition. Why? Here are 3 solid reasons: [/b] 1) The more weight classes you add, the less you get to see the others fight OR the more cluttered the fight cards will get. I don't wanna watch thousands upon thousands of up-and-comer fights just to see Bones/GSP/Silva fight in a main event. 2) I am really sick of being "introduced" to another weight class. We just saw the addition of FW and BW and granted it is good to see some story lines developing but lets face it, it has a serious lack of depth and personality. Now imagine how bad Flyweight will be? We're going to bring in all these mini guys for what? They'll just take up space... well.. not very much space... but you get my point. 3) Where does this end? Shall we add a 115 division? 105? 95? Midget fights? Child fights? Midget-Child fights? Seriously, lets not go down this road. 135 is as light as it should go. Here are my counter arguments in regard to some suporting reasons for the additional weight class: Small fighter excitement- argument Now before I get swarmed by the "smaller the fighter = more action" argument, thats not the case. Thats just a fun thing that small people like to say to defend their own. Is anyone going to say LHW isnt exciting? How about the recent HW fight with Cheick Kongo and Pat Barry? The more mini guys we add, the less of these fights we will get to see. Expansion of the sport argument Granted this argument does have some merit. The addition of a new weight class does signify the expansion and familiarization of MMA. But.... does that mean we should do it? Does that mean MMA needs that? No. It doesn't. Thats like saying if Bones Jones became President of the United States then it would help further MMA because a world leader came from an MMA backround. Yes... this would be true... but does this need to happen to expand MMA? Absolutely not. MMA does not need a Flyweight division to grow. Bottom line: Flyweight isnt an addition, its an arbitrary replacement. Logically, you would think that you'd see more fight cards per year considering their is a larger roster, but it won't work like that, just like it hasn't worked like that for the recent additions.To put it bluntly, they will have the same amout of events except they will just add more unknown mini people and less established larger people. This is a rip off people. Thoughts? Concerns? I look forward to reading your significantly shorter arguments. I dont see how a fully grown man can be 125lbs, that is tiny. literally half the size of a heavyweight. I wouldve been 125lbs (9st for the brits) at about 10 years old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor_Obviously Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 I'd pay to watch midgets wrestle. If it's MMA, I'm on my way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurion480 Posted July 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 its actually john fitch its kinda sad rly lol Not once have I ever said Fitch was my favorite fighter. I simply picked him over Penn, similair to how you picked Shogun over Bones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho_MMA Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 IMO by the time UFC is done adding classes we will have a super heavy or something inbetween 205 and 265 and 125 division, do i want to see them? no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyran125 Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 125 pounds? isnt that like a girls ideal weight at 5"7 or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurion480 Posted July 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 If flyweight is added' date=' don't watch it. It's that simple.[/quote'] My point is that its going to interfere with watching the heavier weights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlebright Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 If they are adding another division' date=' it shouldnt be another 10 lb differance where fighters can easily bounce divisions. If they want to add another, it should be between lhw and hw. There is a 60lb gap there, which should be a priority to address more than adding a 125 div[/quote'] They won't be splitting up the HW division any time soon. As I mentioned earlier, you need to have enough quality fighters to make a competitive division. At this time, the UFC has 24 HWs under contract, which makes it the smallest division in the UFC in terms of number of fighters. If you split that division into two, you'll have about 12 guys in each. That is way too thin. That's the reason why the HW division has such a large spread in weight. There just aren't enough guys that size in combat sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simple Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 I want to see womans mma in ufc, thats something important imo. Who knows if it'll ever happen but thats all thats missing. As for fly weight..i've never seen mma at that weight really so i cant say about it. do they do fly weight fights in Japan or some where else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlebright Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 I want to see womans mma in ufc' date=' thats something important imo. Who knows if it'll ever happen but thats all thats missing. As for fly weight..i've never seen mma at that weight really so i cant say about it. do they do fly weight fights in Japan or some where else?[/quote'] King of the Cage has a 125lb division. Its pretty much the same as 135 and 145. Little dudes going full out for 15 mins. Usually makes for great fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfAllFighting Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 More = better. The more fighters' date=' the more fights. The more weight classes, the more titles. More = better. /end thread[/quote'] Quality > Quantity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobercuban Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 I've got to go with the OP on this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsplint Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 Meh, I voted NO... They should focus on getting better HW's.. IMO.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_radly1406052482 Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 OP ---- NO. Buck 25'ers --- YES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP24 Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 I don't think so. It'd be like watching children fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays_Hero Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Yes, I want 125ers. I do find the lighters guys more exciting a lot of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPoker Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 I don't think so. It'd be like watching children fight. I fail to see the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorporalClegg Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 125 is good but it needs to be the lightest weightclass. No need for 115 but 125 is legit. You currently have several bantamweights that can make flyweight. Benevidez, Johnson and possibly Bowles could all make 125. A lot of international talent (small Asians) can also come fight in this class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnizer Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 As long as they don't had the women's division to the UFC I'm a happy camper. Not to be sexist or anything but I don't feel like watching a woman bleed on tv but then again maybe that's just me... Women's MMA needs more Cris Cyborgs. She right now is the only woman fighter that I like watching because she goes for the kill in every fight and is very aggressive. Which it seems a lot of women fighters lack from the fights I've watched so far. Her fight vs Jan Finney was ridiculous! As far as a 125 class goes, there are a lot of talented Japanese and Thai fighters in that weight division and lower weight fighters tend have a lot of stamina, which creates some pretty exciting fights. Plus if it means that more fighters because of the new division leads to more PPV and free events, I'm all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorporalClegg Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Women's MMA needs more Cris Cyborgs. She right now is the only woman fighter that I like watching because she goes for the kill in every fight and is very aggressive. Which it seems a lot of women fighters lack from the fights I've watched so far. Her fight vs Jan Finney was ridiculous! Zuffa will not be promoting women's MMA much longer. Cris Cyborg is now a free agent and is looking to fight in a promotion that has yet to be named. She's done with Strikeforce it appears only the 135ers will be there now. If Gina fights it has to be at 145 though. They probably won't even bother crowning another champion considering 145 is so thin for women's MMA. The best females fight at 105, 115, 125 and 135. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxx77 Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 people if theres another class we need its 235 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays_Hero Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 people if theres another class we need its 235 That will come later if the HW division actually becomes competitive with big guys..... which it probably won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reapers_bane Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 More = better. The more fighters' date=' the more fights. The more weight classes, the more titles. More = better. /end thread[/quote'] ^win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsplint Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 people if theres another class we need its 235 Wishful thinking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cIRca2010 Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 They should keep these fights on the prelims for the first year or so, just so we can get some stars emerge and some sort of video highlights together which would build fights in the 125 and allow fans to get an idea of who they are rooting for. But it would definitely be a good addition once the casual fan can recognise some of the big names in that division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNOOB Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 I would very much like for there to be a 125 division in the UFC. On a side note, I'm surprised at how many people don't want this division. More fighters and more fights please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorporalClegg Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 people if theres another class we need its 235 ********! Why do you need a 235 division? The current champion and number one contender in the HW division (265 cap) weigh between 238-244... A ****ing 230 or 235 division is retarded because every HW worth mentioning could cut to that weight. It would leave a handful of fighters that couldn't make that weight. Even very large 260-275 pound men could make 235... think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorporalClegg Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 THE HW DIVISION IS ENTIRELY TOO SHALLOW TO TAKE 90 PERCENT OF IT'S FIGHTERS TO A RETARDED 235 POUND DIVISION...\ Sorry... maybe an NFL and NBA lockout can sort this **** out but there's not enough HWs to split them in two................ seriously that the ****? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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