LuseFan Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Ok...so we've seen some guys that allegedly are amazing with their jitz walk into the cage against top guys, and seriously it seems most of these BJJ fighters lack a certain component vital to implementing their game plan. The takedown. What I find ironic about this is that Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is more or less an offshoot of Judo. And if we've seen anything it's that if a judoka puts his mind to it, he can get some nasty takedowns or at least can clinch and trip guys down. So is BJJ straying so far from it's roots a good thing or a bad thing. Really it's best to say mixed bag....BJJ is a very valuable tool when the fight goes to the ground, but with the glut of skilled wrestlers able to take a man down and hold top over a BJJ guy, does anyone else think the focus of the training needs to change? Should more guys be cross training with Judo or Sambo to better implement the ground skills of BJJ, or maybe drop BJJ entirely and turn to either of these styles as a base to build up from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGJORDAN Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 I went with judo for the simple fact of if you have a bb in jj and your an average or above judoka you can throw about any wrestler on their back while their attempting takedowns. Ps wrestlers are'nt good at all on their backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UCFMRE Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 To me wrestling is the obvious choice. The problem is that BJJ was primarily designed as a defensive form and it works very well for that. If you add wrestling then a BJJ fighter is able to dictate where the fight will take place and then ply his trade on the ground. Judo is good for the occasional flashy throw but more often than not Judo players haven't faired that well in MMA. Not to say that it is a bad style but wrestling has proven to be much more effective in the octagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GN_FDU Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 I went with judo for the simple fact of if you have a bb in jj and your an average or above judoka you can throw about any wrestler on their back while their attempting takedowns. Ps wrestlers are'nt good at all on their backs. You make it sound so easy. Too bad taking a wrestler down with whatever trips/tosses/throws isn't as easy as you make it sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l1fel1ke Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 The biggest problem with jitz guys is simple.... they're weak as piss. Wrestling and and judo fighters are brought up training like animals building their strength levels along with their skillset. Bjj is based on the principal of 'using your opponents strength against him'... which is all well and good when you're fighting hobo's in UFC 1, but when you take someone who's learned enough bjj to defend against submission attacks whilst gaining a massive strength advantage it's not hard to pick a winner. Pure jitz had its time in the sun back when people thought a "rear naked choke" was some type of sex position, now that people have cottoned on, bjj guys will have to start building a greater work ethic or they'll be left behind. We've all seen how devastating a strong guy with a bjj background can be when watching Palhares fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 well wrestling has many styles (folk..freestyle..greco..catchcan)...now i think catch is amazing but is dieing...i voted sambo cuz its the most well rounded of the choices....i think bjjs problem is that the head ppl in charge dont like adding new ideas n changing with the time..(like one guy said bout them being weak...rickson was the first to take weightlifting 4 real)...also leg locks were looked down apon in bjj til rickson won a torney with a leg lock then ppl though it was cool...n now bjj guys dont care to learn takedowns (dont know bout ur area but all the mma bjj school start rolling on the knees yah thats good 4 bjj torneys but not mma) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuseFan Posted July 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Strength training could be a big part of the problem for guys that train BJJ exclusively for their ground work. If you can't muscle someone on top of you around at least a little bit it can be difficult to sweep or reverse, and has been mentioned a lot of people are learning how to defend against submissions. It's like Guy Mezger said in an interview once about new MMA versus old MMA. "These guys don't have to go train exclusively in one style anymore to pick up what's useful. White belt guys are learning how to do all the armbars and chokes well. They aren't having to train an entire style to get what is most valuable." *edit* Oh yeah, and judo imo might be the best option. It would only reinforce a lot of technique BJJ and Judo share and really help with takedowns. Judokas that just jump into MMA with limited cross training are like wrestlers that jump in with little cross training. Very 1-dimensional and skilled with what they know, but that really doesn't cut it anymore unless you are absolutely amazing at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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