Molo316 Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 With a massive influx of new and young up and comers in the ufc it appears as if they are matching the legends of the sport up with much more powerful opponents. Liddell vs Franklin, Couture vs Machida, Silva vs Leben, and Ortiz vs Bader. No disrespect is meant for any of these fighters as they are all among my favourites, but do you think this is an intentional way to make room for the new breed? And who do you think will be the next legend to be given this treatment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForrestGriffinFan101 Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 With a massive influx of new and young up and comers in the ufc it appears as if they are matching the legends of the sport up with much more powerful opponents. Liddell vs Franklin' date=' Couture vs Machida, Silva vs Leben, and Ortiz vs Bader. No disrespect is meant for any of these fighters as they are all among my favourites, but do you think this is an intentional way to make room for the new breed? And who do you think will be the next legend to be given this treatment?[/quote'] Liddell/Franklin is a legend vs. legend fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simple Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 With a massive influx of new and young up and comers in the ufc it appears as if they are matching the legends of the sport up with much more powerful opponents. Liddell vs Franklin' date=' Couture vs Machida, Silva vs Leben, and Ortiz vs Bader. No disrespect is meant for any of these fighters as they are all among my favourites, but do you think this is an intentional way to make room for the new breed? And who do you think will be the next legend to be given this treatment?[/QUOT'] The ultimate fighter is the name of the contest, if they didnt do these fights hen theyd end up like boxing.imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Can Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 the legends are past their prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KTFOOO Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 If MMA is to survive it needs new fighters, and some of these guys are going to be legends some will not. Maybe the UFC wants to test these guys out on high quality opponents to see what they are made of, Although I dont think your choices are up and comers Liddel v Franklin as stated earlier 'legend V legend' Couture V Machida: Machida isnt really and up and comer IMO and couture can do what he likes (super legend) Silva V Leben: a fighter whos past it V a fighter whos been around for long enough not to be considered up and coming Ortiz V Bader: Ortiz well past it V a guy with alot of hype around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyalpha1 Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Liddell/Franklin is a legend vs. legend fight. cant argue that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coreyflipp Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Most of the OP's list isn't legend vs. FNG's like KTFOOO pointed out. Really Ortiz vs. Bader is the only one. Shaub vs. Cro Cop fits the bill of what he is talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarlandPatriot Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Legends going past their prime is killing them, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedrobrasil Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 That's how all sports work. Athletes rise, reach their pinnacles and decay. Some faster than others. It's not the UFC killing off the legends, is the natural flow of things, there can be no other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP24 Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Liddell/Franklin is a legend vs. legend fight. The brains around here... Somebody give this guy a hand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bssite Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 It's the same as putting a caveman with a club on the battlefield against a marine with an m-16. Evolution is what it's all about , it's got nothing to do with them purposely killing off legends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USNMEfighter Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 It's the same as putting a caveman with a club on the battlefield against a marine with an m-16. Evolution is what it's all about ' date=' it's got nothing to do with them purposely killing off legends[/quote'] You mean it's like putting a Marine on the battlefield with an Army Ranger... But I agree with your intent. Previous generations always become outshined by the new. Because athletes are always finding ways to improve upon what has already been done. The "legends" have gone so long doing what they have always been doing they can't catch up to what is current because that takes too much time. You pretty much have to start out that way. It's just the cycle of life of an athlete. Quickly rise and fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coreyflipp Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 No, you don't become unmotivated or out of your prime. You just suck in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedrobrasil Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 No' date=' you don't become unmotivated or out of your prime. You just suck in the first place.[/quote'] It's good to have you here, Chael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amateur Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 To become a Legend, you must slay a legend. That's how you replenish your legend pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safe_Screen_Name Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Legends going past their prime is killing them' date=' really.[/quote'] It was hard to watch Liddel on his more recent season of the Ultimate Fighter. He seems to have trouble speaking now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToiletSeat Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 The best way for a young fighter to make a name for themselves is to beat someone who is considered a veteran or legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRearNaked Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 With a massive influx of new and young up and comers in the ufc it appears as if they are matching the legends of the sport up with much more powerful opponents. Liddell vs Franklin' date=' Couture vs Machida, Silva vs Leben, and Ortiz vs Bader. No disrespect is meant for any of these fighters as they are all among my favourites, but do you think this is an intentional way to make room for the new breed? And who do you think will be the next legend to be given this treatment?[/quote'] There is no past there prime. They just suck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuayThaiKickboxer Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 IMO they're not killing off their legends. Wandy was HEAVILY favored to beat Chris Leben. If they wanted to for sure kill off Wandy, they'd get someone like Brian Stann who isn't coming off a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Blame the legends! Just like boxing, they don't know when to quit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendoforpresident Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 With a massive influx of new and young up and comers in the ufc it appears as if they are matching the legends of the sport up with much more powerful opponents. Liddell vs Franklin' date=' Couture vs Machida, Silva vs Leben, and Ortiz vs Bader. No disrespect is meant for any of these fighters as they are all among my favourites, but do you think this is an intentional way to make room for the new breed? And who do you think will be the next legend to be given this treatment?[/quote'] so you think the legends should just fight crappy fighters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigo_Carpathian Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Liddell/Franklin is a legend vs. legend fight. ^yes this. The UFC is just trying to make good matchups. Who doesnt want to see a legend against an up and comer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocforums Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 no the legends are just milking the system to long .. they need top names to promote fights so im sure they get gifts for staying and taking "one more fight" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsplint Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 No' date=' you don't become unmotivated or out of your prime. You just suck in the first place.[/quote'] Well you cant really suck if the UFC offers you a contract - The only exception is Toney... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BESERKER Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 With a massive influx of new and young up and comers in the ufc it appears as if they are matching the legends of the sport up with much more powerful opponents. Liddell vs Franklin' date=' Couture vs Machida, Silva vs Leben, and Ortiz vs Bader. No disrespect is meant for any of these fighters as they are all among my favourites, but do you think this is an intentional way to make room for the new breed? And who do you think will be the next legend to be given this treatment?[/quote']... I believe that fighters are solely responsible for their destiny - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsplint Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 ... I believe that fighters are solely responsible for their destiny - IF their management were smarter & not so $$$ hungry' date=' guys like Mirko could retire with a bit more of their pride intact ... no pun intended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleindemnity Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 With a massive influx of new and young up and comers in the ufc it appears as if they are matching the legends of the sport up with much more powerful opponents. Liddell vs Franklin' date=' Couture vs Machida, Silva vs Leben, and Ortiz vs Bader. No disrespect is meant for any of these fighters as they are all among my favourites, but do you think this is an intentional way to make room for the new breed? And who do you think will be the next legend to be given this treatment?[/quote'] You mean by killing them is making them fight then you are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coreyflipp Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 Well you cant really suck if the UFC offers you a contract - The only exception is Toney... Refer to most recent interview of Cheal Sonnen with Ariel Hawaii. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsplint Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 Refer to most recent interview of Cheal Sonnen with Ariel Hawaii. Link ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coreyflipp Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 Aww poo hold on. You really haven't seen it? There was like 5 threads made about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsplint Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 Aww poo hold on. You really haven't seen it? There was like 5 threads made about it. NVM - I'll have a look... I dont usually pay attention to the dribble that comes out of Sonnens mouth - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coreyflipp Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 http://forums.ufc.production.sparkart.net/showthread.php?t=90823 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manho Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 Nahh. If you can still fight and keep a winning streak even if you're 80 yrs old, I don't think UFC will let go of you. But just like everything else, nothing last forever. We have seen many boxers in the past get KTFO because age crept up with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsplint Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 You have to be kidding if you take that crap seriously... He says the LHW is the weakest division FFS - The guy is a loser... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BESERKER Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 Nahh. If you can still fight and keep a winning streak even if you're 80 yrs old' date=' I don't think UFC will let go of you. But just like everything else, nothing last forever. We have seen many boxers in the past get KTFO because age crept up with them.[/quote'] capitalistic pigs - lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manho Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 capitalistic pigs - lol YUP!! Dana white is Don King minus the hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourteen Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 Liddell v Franklin - Legend vs Legend Silva vs Leben - Never has been vs Entertaining Fighter Ortiz vs Bader - Legend vs Up and Comer Couture vs Machida - Legend vs Top 3 guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainCouture Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 With a massive influx of new and young up and comers in the ufc it appears as if they are matching the legends of the sport up with much more powerful opponents. Liddell vs Franklin' date=' Couture vs Machida, Silva vs Leben, and Ortiz vs Bader. No disrespect is meant for any of these fighters as they are all among my favourites, but do you think this is an intentional way to make room for the new breed? And who do you think will be the next legend to be given this treatment?[/quote'] Lidell vs Franklin isnt really fair. Franklin is really almost as old as Lidell in this sport. And Chuck broke Franklin's arm in that fight, it isnt like he got dominated, he just doesnt have a chin anymore. Couture vs Machida. I can kind of see this. Machida is a tall order for anyone and Couture is long past his prime. Is he still the baddest 48 year old mofo on the planet? You bet, but, he is still 48 and Machida is still Machida. Silva vs Leben could have gone either way really. That fight was always destined to be a three round war or a first round first minute knockout due to wild flurries, and we see what happened. Wandy could have put Leben out just as easily as Leben put Wandy out, it was just Leben's night. Ortiz vs Bader was a good match up for Ortiz I thought. It wasnt a "Here is an easy fight Tito" situation, but it wasnt a "Here is a top three guy Tito" situation either. I think it was a good challenging matchup for Tito to get his train back on the tracks and Bader could have won but he didnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BESERKER Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 YUP!! Dana white is Don King minus the hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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