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I usually really enjoy the commentary of Joe Rogan and Mike Goldberg, but when I watched this fight without sound I experienced a completely different fight. Joe is awesome at commentating to keep the fights alive and interesting and can even get John Fitch seem somewhat exciting with his breaking down of the laying on top on another dude for 3 rounds.

 

However, what I saw without audio was really weak striking from Sonnen, and expressions from Silva that did not show any sense of "I'm in danger", even when he stumbles and falls or gets taken down he isn't really rocked or hurt, he's in control of himself and seems to me to know exactly what he's doing.

 

Of course Chael took him down several times and had excellent control. But the dominant fight I saw before (with Rogan's commentary) wasn't really there. Most of the strikes Chael did were weak because he focused on keeping control on the ground only posturing up on a few occasions.

 

Don't get me wrong, I still think that hadn't Silva done the triangle at the end, he should've won. I just don't think it was that much of a domination that everyone and their mother seems to agree upon. No more a domination than Fitch vs. 90% of his opponents, or GSP in his last couple of fights.

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Well that was like Thiago Silva vs Brandon Vera, Joe makes out Brandon was destroying Thiago in the stand up, but when I rewatched without the sound, it was so much closer. Thiago was actually landing alot of shots himself, Joe's voice kind of has an effect on the viewers mind which is really annoying. :mad:

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troll

 

What's wrong with people like you? Just because I have a different opinion some ********* has to call you a troll. Kindly GTFO or just present an argument instead.

 

edit: Oh, n/m. I just got trolled. Didn't know trolls were becoming this obvious. :)

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Sonnens a great wrestler' date=' an ok fighter.

 

The rules help him a lot.[/quote']

 

Absolutely, I'm not here to discredit him. I just don't think he was brutally dominating Silva for 4,5 rounds like Joe and most of the audience think.

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What's wrong with people like you? Just because I have a different opinion some ********* has to call you a troll. Kindly GTFO or just present an argument instead.

 

edit: Oh' date=' n/m. I just got trolled. Didn't know trolls were becoming this obvious. :)[/quote']

 

XD, was gonna say.. 11'ers will 11.

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Well that was like Thiago Silva vs Brandon Vera' date=' Joe makes out Brandon was destroying Thiago in the stand up, but when I rewatched without the sound, it was so much closer. Thiago was actually landing alot of shots himself, Joe's voice kind of has an effect on the viewers mind which is really annoying. :mad:[/quote']

 

Brandon Vera did destroy Thiago in the stand-up.

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if sonnen could defend a triangle (which he cant) anderson would have lost!

 

You're using IF? If it's that easy then IF Rich Franklin had better standup then Anderson, he would have won. IF Barry could of blocked Kongo's punch, he would of won. IF, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF, and IF.

 

I like this game.

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I'm 29 and have been wtching MMA since UFC 6.

 

The join date BS means nothing to me or other people who aren't retarded.

 

Really cool! That doesn't make you much less of a NOOB! I've been watching UFC'ing since before you were born.

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Brandon Vera did destroy Thiago in the stand-up.

 

Nope, he didn't. Go back and watch again, Thiago just blasted through all of Veras shots to land some of the best strikes in the fight. He got tagged alot, but so did Vera, I still think Vera won the stand-up, but it was alot closer than the first time watching it.

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Not a noob at all. I had another account from '09 but got banned because my name was "x s-h-i-t headx"

 

Does that make me a 9er and blow your fu**ing mind and argument?

 

The bolded makes me sad.

 

Bro don't mess with me, take it from me, as I am a fighter, and since that is true, I am always right.

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Well that was like Thiago Silva vs Brandon Vera' date=' Joe makes out Brandon was destroying Thiago in the stand up, but when I rewatched without the sound, it was so much closer. Thiago was actually landing alot of shots himself, [b']Joe's voice kind of has an effect on the viewers mind which is really annoying[/b]. :mad:

 

Kinda like Machida/Shogun 1. Joe Rogan was so in love with Shogun, it was sickening.

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You're using IF? If it's that easy then IF Rich Franklin had better standup then Anderson' date=' he would have won. IF Barry could of blocked Kongo's punch, he would of won. IF, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF, and IF.

 

I like this game.[/quote']

 

its a good game but you dont know how to play!

 

FRANKLINS stand up had nothing to do with his losses to the dancing queen! knees to the face was his problem,not getting out of a MT clinch now that was a big problem!

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Kinda like Machida/Shogun 1. Joe Rogan was so in love with Shogun' date=' it was sickening.[/quote']

 

I know! He kept cuming over all the leg kicks and praising Shogun, that we all ended up thinking Shogun won! I rewatched the fight and I didn't even know how to call it, it was so close!

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I know! He kept cuming over all the leg kicks and praising Shogun' date=' that we all ended up thinking Shogun won! I rewatched the fight and I didn't even know how to call it, it was so close![/quote']

 

The thing was, everytime Shogun would throw something, Machida would too, but Shogun was usually praised. Though Shogun technically beat Machida in their first encounter, it was a VERY close fight.

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all this talk about how sonnen 'owned' silva,and 'dominated' silva...silva won and sonnen lost,fact of the matter is look at where anderson silva is in comparison to chael sonnen,sonnen has to run his mouth to stay relevant,whereas silva just keeps defending his title and keeps on winning,and sonnen keeps calling out other fighters when he should be worrying about himself,he isnt even the champ and his last fight was a LOSS

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Yeah.. sometimes rogan makes things look very exagerate. Like kampman vs shields. Rogan kepy saying shields had so dominant ground game everytime he took a breath. Listening to him you would think kampman was being humiliated but actually looking at it shields had a hard time just catching a hold of kampman.

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The thing was' date=' everytime Shogun would throw something, Machida would too, but Shogun was usually praised. Though Shogun technically beat Machida in their first encounter, it was a VERY close fight.[/quote']

 

He outstruck Machida 2 to 1 and it should have atleast been a 48-47 decision for Rua. I had it 3-1-1 in favor of Rua. Machida only clearly won round 2. Round 3 was very close but Rua took the first and the last two easily.

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all this talk about how sonnen 'owned' silva' date='and 'dominated' silva...silva won and sonnen lost,fact of the matter is look at where anderson silva is in comparison to chael sonnen,sonnen has to run his mouth to stay relevant,whereas silva just keeps defending his title and keeps on winning,and sonnen keeps calling out other fighters when he should be worrying about himself,he isnt even the champ and his last fight was a LOSS[/quote']

 

Stupid 08'ers. Win or loss, Sonnen still owned him.

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well he couldnt even finish silva' date='i mean how much more time would it have taken for sonnen to finish silva anyways,and who cares what sonnen did,he LOST and thats all that matters[/quote']

 

He had over 20 minutes with the aid of PED's

& Anderson having a cracked rib - & he Sonnen

still couldnt knock the top off the top of a cream pie -

Pillow fisted nobody is Sonnen...

 

The bloke has to build a bridge & move on - I agree...

 

& If anything Fail Sonnen looked like he copped the beatdown -

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90% of the time Anderson was taken down, if you actually watch the takedown, Anderson DOES NOT ATTEMPT TO DEFEND, he just literally pulls guard.

 

Then in the 4th/5th rounds when he was looking for the KO, he shrugs off Sonnen's TDs like they're nothing.

 

Anderson trolled a LOT of people in that fight.

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90% of the time Anderson was taken down' date=' if you actually watch the takedown, Anderson DOES NOT ATTEMPT TO DEFEND, he just literally pulls guard.

 

Then in the 4th/5th rounds when he was looking for the KO, he shrugs off Sonnen's TDs like they're nothing.

 

Anderson trolled a LOT of people in that fight.[/quote']

 

well there you go,another person who is talking sense,its good to hear...and yeah andersons lateral movement wasnt as per usual either so he couldnt get out of the way quick enough as he would normally do

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90% of the time Anderson was taken down' date=' if you actually watch the takedown, Anderson DOES NOT ATTEMPT TO DEFEND, he just literally pulls guard.

 

Then in the 4th/5th rounds when he was looking for the KO, he shrugs off Sonnen's TDs like they're nothing.

 

Anderson trolled a LOT of people in that fight.[/quote']

 

Was he giving Fail Sonnen a false sense of security ?

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well there you go' date='another person who is talking sense,its good to hear...and yeah andersons lateral movement wasnt as per usual either so he couldnt get out of the way quick enough as he would normally do[/quote']

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzpbocDtBYY

 

Skip to 2:40. Does that look like he's even trying to defend the takedown?

 

2:47. Anderson pulling guard.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oeoPg9FYbg

 

Skip to 0:50. Silva again pulling guard looking for the submission, when he could have easily sprawled.

 

Also if you watch either of those videos, you will see pretty much the entire time on the ground that Silva wasn't looking to defend, but rather to lul Chael into opening up for a submission.

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I heard that ufc.tv gives you the option to turn of commentary. That may help a lot.

 

Yeah' date=' without commentary, I honestly think Fitch carried that fight with Penn 29-27.[/quote']

 

The commentary doesn't affect how the judges score the fights.

Laying in someones guard and not doing a lot of damage does not really warrant a 10-8 round.

There was no aggression (stayed in guard and landed punches with minimal power)

There was no octagon control

There was no effective striking ( Again punches with minimal power)

There was no effective grappling (Staying in guard isn't really effective, especially when BJ was gassed)

 

Round 3 belonged to Fitch but IMO only 10-9

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzpbocDtBYY

 

Skip to 2:40. Does that look like he's even trying to defend the takedown?

 

2:47. Anderson pulling guard.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oeoPg9FYbg

 

Skip to 0:50. Silva again pulling guard looking for the submission' date=' when he could have easily sprawled.

 

Also if you watch either of those videos, you will see pretty much the entire time on the ground that Silva wasn't looking to defend, but rather to lul Chael into opening up for a submission. [/quote']

 

 

Silva is being taken down legit. Dear god settle down

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzpbocDtBYY

 

Skip to 2:40. Does that look like he's even trying to defend the takedown?

 

2:47. Anderson pulling guard.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oeoPg9FYbg

 

Skip to 0:50. Silva again pulling guard looking for the submission' date=' when he could have easily sprawled.

 

Also if you watch either of those videos, you will see pretty much the entire time on the ground that Silva wasn't looking to defend, but rather to lul Chael into opening up for a submission.[/quote']

 

Or maybe, just maybe, the olympic alternate wrestler, was able to take the guy who has had a weakness for TD's in his past. Nah, that couldn't be it

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Or maybe' date=' just maybe, the olympic alternate wrestler, was able to take the guy who has had a weakness for TD's in his past. Nah, that couldn't be it[/quote']

 

Do you not see Silva sliding down to the ground instead of trying to put up any form of defense? And then did you even watch the 4th/5th rounds where he shrugs Chael's TDs off like Sonnen was a child?

 

I'm not saying Anderson has god-like TDD or that he let every single takedown happen, and that if he really tried Sonnen would have never taken him down.

 

I'm just saying that Anderson let Sonnen take him down throughout 90% of that fight. He didn't defend at all. Not "He wasn't good enough to even try to defend", as some of you guys seem to think. Silva just wanted to be taken down, so he could go for the submission.

 

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